On Purpose #4: GregX – Spiral Dynamics Integral
Greg: Hello, everyone, and welcome. The first of maybe many, maybe one, Gregx. And the idea of this is to pit out just. Yeah, information stuff that I’ve researched about to share it with people on the team and also to share with people that we are working with and people in our network to kind of. Yeah. Just to share and learn from each other and to get a shared understanding about how we do things. So I thought the first most important thing to talk about was integral theory and to just give a brief overview. And I’m doing that through Beginning with biodynamics because it’s sort of it’s the easiest kind of gateway drug to go theory. So I’m here with my team, with Tomás. Introduce yourself Tomás.
Tomás : Hello. I’m too much, really, even though I’m called Greg Blair must train, that goes. I’m sorry, Greg. Yeah, I’m on a team. What can I do for a while? And really enjoying the way we work for two main reasons for me to join. And that’s why I’m also keen to have the discussion and share with people a different way of structuring organization. Thank you.
Greg: Thank you, sir. And we’ve got Tina.
Cristina: Hi, my name is Christina, or a tin tin, as you can call me, and yeah, I’ve been working with Kinect for a little over a year now, I think. And I’m excited to join my first Greg ex. So we’re going to be learning about integral theory. I’m really excited.
Greg: So giddy and Catina and click like,
Clay : Yeah, that good. We’re doing the introductions.
Greg: I just decided to do it now.
Clay : Have it. Happy to be here. First Rodeo. Kind of the founder of Gregx. I’m the man behind the behind the scenes, the curtains and I’m going to get my lernout.
Greg: Cool. OK, so I’ve got a few slides, I’ve got one slide for each color. But I’ll just begin with a general overview of what the spiral dynamics is and then I’ll move on to the slides and each color. So Spiral Dynamics basically came out of research done by a researcher called Claire Graps. He was a contemporary of Abraham Maslow, as in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. And like Maslow, he was interested in sort of this developmental phases are kind of like a maturation of human beings, how they how the psyche develops. And so Graves’ was a university lecturer and he decided to study his own students, which is actually pretty funny, which, like some of this stuff now, would be considered kind of unethical. But basically what he did was he wouldn’t tell any of his students and he would get in, say, his first-year students into his class and he would give them specific assignments. And the assignments would be like, yeah, write. What a good person is or what it means to be a valuable human being, this kind of thing. I’m not quite that exactly right. But in this general direction, some people would have to go home, write a paper on what they think a valuable human being is or what it means to live or what their basic kind of philosophy is and then present that is there and get graded, basically. But what he didn’t know was Grazer’s using this for research. I was just collecting all of these papers. So he’d collect all the papers he’d get an independent researchers.
Greg: He didn’t know about the project to categorise them into whatever meaningful categories they could find. And then they had to come back with unanimous categories of like we’ve come up with these categories and we’ve put these papers in this and why and basically these are the things, the commonalities that we found across these ones. So, yeah, so they came up with these buckets and he did this a bunch of times and then he basically kept finding the same kind of categories they could like they could group people by these specific things, by what they value, by how they see the world, by the things that they care about, how they reason about things could be put into these buckets. And then after that, because these are some of the a lot of these students would come back for his second and third, third and fourth year classes. He would he would continue testing them in this way. And what he saw was that there was you know, people might move from moral stance like A to B and B to C, but people wouldn’t move backwards really from C to be your B to A. So there was a development in sort of maturity of development and sophistication and complexity of how people saw things. That’s the general gist of it. And also what he did was quite funny. Like he would he would still he’d have after the first year, he’d have people already categorized later on after he’d already had a bunch of knowledge.
Greg: So he’d have like a yellow group or green group. And he put those people together into groups. And then he just watched them and just see like, how did they solve problems? And they have no idea. They’re just guinea pigs for the whole year. But so so after he had the categories and he would just he would study them and see what other traits came up basically. So that’s the basic research. And so they’re. Research done back and back and Cowan, I think it is, they then took this research and made it more accessible and applied it in more places, they added colors and they made it more applicable and they used it in business to help give more understanding between people and how different people value different things. And also, they’ve used it in politics and back used it in the apartheid transition in South Africa, because there you’ve got a lot of people coming from a lot of different developmental levels. You know, you’ve got tribal peoples, you’ve got more like rationalists, you’ve got more sort of like, ah, yeah. Traditional sort of religious types. So all this big melting pot and to make policies that fit all these people. So so that’s how it became spiral dynamics. And then how it relates to Antigo Theory is something for later. But basically, Integral Theory uses biodynamics and also other developmental models to talk about how humans develop in general. That’s that’s a rough intro to this.
Tomás : So question is. All the humans, according to research, develop in the same general direction. Yeah. Yes. Also, is that related to just the fact that they have studied learning more or just that years of passed or is related to learning?
Greg: Ok, so on the first question. Yes. So most people in this research would answer yes, they apply to all humans across all cultures. Because that was kind of the interesting thing for them is because it came on the back of a question of like, are we just completely different beings when we grew up in different cultures, you know, you’ve got indigenous tribes. Are we just totally unable to understand that from our Western perspective, or is there an underlying system to an underlying structure to how human beliefs develop? And that’s the way I think that’s the interesting thing behind Integral Inspirer Dynamics, is that it shows even though, for instance, you might have two very like two very different sets of beliefs like Christianity and Islam, so they can really conflict about those beliefs. They’re they’re coming from a similar structure. So they think about things in a similar way. They construct knowledge in a similar way. So they take it from authority. They organize their society in a similar way. And yet so it’s that’s the general idea. Although it is you know, there is criticism that there’s not enough research showing that it’s that this is not just a sort of Western centric body of research. I mean, Graves’, for instance, he just studied Western Western psych students. So it’s not a good enough body of knowledge. But there’s other there’s other developmental models which study cross-culture. OK, so these fall into basically eight categories. So I will get my slides, share my screen. So to begin with, we have Beijng. And so this is basically, you know, so the time frame is one hundred fifty thousand years ago, but I guess that’s like three hundred thousand years ago.
Greg: This thing now is when. Yeah, when we first evolved into our own species. But this is sort of when we were least bands of. Yeah. Just loose bands of of Homo sapiens trying to survive. All we could do is basically look after our basic needs. So it’s instinctive, automatic. There’s not a lot of complex cognition that goes into it. And the key, yeah, the key need is just to survive. And yeah, the world view is natural and instinctive. And yet the lifetime satisfies physiological needs and sexual drive, so it’s just your basic needs and it’s not a lot of complexity there also because there’s not a lot of time to do that. You’re basically running away from. Yeah, lions and snakes and you’re still basically an animal compared to other animals. And the idea with this Veridian Dynamics is that you know, these systems are. It was originally made to meet the life conditions at the time, and then those systems still exist within us. So, for instance, in modern life bays, you see in newborn newborn children, but also people in severe crisis situations where it’s just about surviving, you just need to meet your basic needs. Also, an example given is like a in the street is not he doesn’t he’s just he’s just looking to meet basic needs above that. Not really much else. And yet so and also if we go into into into a situation with a high amount of danger, then that’s then the system would take over. And it’s just like Firefly or. Yeah, find shelter or find food. Any questions around Basch?
Tomás : No. Pretty basic yet
Greg: I think I can answer the education question there, because Basch to not that much time. So the question was basically do these do the can does education move you through these stages. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Then absolutely. Absolutely. And I think it’s more like the it’s more like the and they write about this, what are the factors needed for change. So, so definitely that the education is part of that. But you also have to kind of have the right life conditions. So someone so good,
Tomás : I mean just the fact that you have education, it already means you’re in a different color and beige, for example, right?
Greg: Yeah. Yeah. That you can see exactly. In that you can even fathom modern education means that you’ve progressed further because if you take someone that’s age right now and try to educate them, that that wouldn’t really work because the capacities are not really there yet. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. OK, so the next system that comes is purple and the estimate here is about forty thousand years ago and here we’re talking about when so we’re talking about the cognitive revolution. So when we started to really form our survival needs are starting to be sort of amply met. But then there’s also a lot more of us of humans and the need to start to be for rather than just survival, it becomes more about safety and security. So this is where you see sort of tribal living clan living magical. The world view is. Oh, I’ll start in the life philosophy, so the life philosophy seek harmony and safety in a mysterious world within the family, clan and or tribe. So, yeah, if you’re talking about tribes, then there is this sort of animistic, magical type of thinking, a lot of stuff to do with spirits and. Yeah, basically that the world views the world as a mysterious and frightening place, and it’s controlled by mystical spirit beings that need to be satisfied and pleased. The life motto is, I sacrifice myself for the sake of the clan and the existential reality and the life theme to secure the survival of the family. One thing I forgot to mention about Spider Dynamics is that there seems to be this. This swing in each stage from one is ego-focused and then one is more group-focused, so where you sacrifice yourself for the needs of the group and then it seems to move back to more ego. A sacrifice group for myself and always so purple is the first one we start to see people with the needs of the individual sacrifice for the group. Yeah, it tends to be ruled by the clan elders. It’s a lot to do with, like
Greg: Ancestors family history, and it’s about safety. And I got so there’s a website where they did a mega-thread of examples from each of the colors. So I’m just going to I’m going to read off a few different things. So, yeah. So example of purple values, mystery, spirit, realm, rites of passage, sacred objects and places met and shared stories, stories, wisdom of the elders, sacred words. And we see this also in our own in a modern day development, where we see it is like younger children, you know, Santa Claus like fairy tales, ghost stories. We all go through this phase of magical thinking and sort of yet also. Yeah, this sort of magical thinking as we’re growing up. And then you also have in. In adulthood as well, Purple comes into play with things like sort of superstition, people are superstitious, still watching, say, magical film. I like fantasy. So I think this is can be a little bit like purple. Yeah. Horror films, ghost stories, all this kind of stuff is from this is me.
Tomás : But I also see in there like the respect for elders, that experience for example. Yeah. So it’s like basic values that are group-related.
Greg: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And you see the examples here, you have a lot of things to do with tribes. You also have Pocahontas in. There you go. Legend of Zelda
Greg: Blood oath. Yes. You see it and you see and gang stuff, you know, like a lot of people satisfy this purple safety needs. Like in yeah. In specific like low-income areas through like gang bonds, blood. You have blood bonds, this kind of thing, you know. Yeah, so that’s the interesting thing I learned recently, is that quite often in new companies and new startups, before you have established rules about how things function, it’s quite often this based on purple type of rules. So it’s about like the kind of the shared like little rituals or little ways of seeing things, customs that kind of bond people together. And it can be a very much like in group out group thing. And if you don’t follow these implicit rules, then you’re sort of out.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh yeah. I’ve noticed that a lot of companies are really tribalistic. And yeah, there’s kind of almost like a hazing ritualistic sort of like Greek structure in colleges. I also notice follow the same kind of thing with like you’re a part of our tribe, our group, our family, and you need to be one of us.
Greg: And yeah, that’s a really good example for the. Yeah. Like sororities and fraternities and stuff like this. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. That’s definitely I think a purple type of thing. Yeah. Yeah, so any questions on this? No, not cool, OK? And so now I will move to. RET.
Clay : Yes, this is me, bro.
Greg: Yeah, this one’s crazy. Yeah, this one is really so, so, so weird. Purple is like the group focus. This is now again the cell-focused. So so basically from the life conditions of the purple like you meet the safety needs, you band together into tribes and then you managed to stabilize things, you stabilize your tribe, your kin, and then you share the family line lasts and continues. But in purple systems, things can become kind of stifling. You know, there’s just a way that we’ve done it. We’ve always done it. Everyone should listen to the elders. You know, the you’ve got to do things according to the way according to the tradition. And yeah. And I guess this can be stifling. Oh, we’ve got one I got one more guest joining us. Mr. Calum, Mr. Listicle. Welcome, Calum, I am with
Clay : No problem, no problem.
Greg: Better late than never. As they say. Yeah. So we just we’ve moved on to the red system. Now, I think you’ve had a link to this before, so.
Tomás : Yeah. Yeah, I’ve read a few articles.
Greg: Nice high school. So I’m just talking about the red system. Um, so yes, the purple system can be stifling. So this kind of leads to the conditions where you see red starting to come out. And this is basically warlords like when we were back like ten thousand years ago where you had this sort of. Yeah. Warring. Like, just big sort of, yeah, kind of empires, kingdoms, yeah, yeah, because empires always do kind of get into a bit blue, but just. Yeah. Warring sort of kingdoms like clans. Yeah. Yeah. And then we’re talking. So we think, you know, can Khan. Who else. Yeah.
Tomás : Just like you, you establish the safety of your own group that you can attack others.
Greg: Exactly. Then it’s at least this sort of like more egocentric like drive for power and glory. Alexander the Great conquering everything is just really this.
Clay : Like God King, God, King hearings like the lack of buying rights, the Babilonia, the vacuuming. Exactly. Even up until the rise of empires. I would assume then it become more political structure. Yes, exactly. Wholly influenced by power. That idea.
Greg: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. My God. Kings and really this thing of being like, you know, the ego becomes this godlike creature and people also projecting, you know, they see your glory, that you’re this wonderful, amazing being like Alexander the Great is, you know. Yeah. But essentially by murdering hundreds, hundreds and thousands of people, it’s just like we had the right value system comes with a lot of warfare.
Cristina: I wonder sorry. I have a question like where would like the Crusades or the witch hunts fit in because that’s like surrounding like religious beliefs and like converting someone to your belief or killing them. Would that fall into red or is that like that’s the.
Greg: Yeah, that’s a good point. And that comes at blue, which is the next the next stage. But I think it’s I think that’s sort of like a kind of mixture between red and blue. There’s the blue, as you see, is sort of like a concerned with divine order. And this is about the money monotheistic religion. But yet crusades is very you know, it’s it’s very bloodthirsty and it’s seems a bit kind of like like a red type of move. Yeah. Yeah, that’s a good one. So the life philosophy, I only trust myself and what I want I want now core values, egocentric, exploitative, impulsive and worldview. The world is a jungle survival of the fittest lifestyle. I’m taking charge without taking others into account and life, the immediate gratification of impulses and senses and fight for my own interest. So yeah, it’s really about satisfying your own needs. And I guess the upside of that is just. The upside is, it satisfying your needs, so you get what you want. You dare to want more and then you go and take it and you see that in modern-day with development children, you see it with the terrible twos. You know this like. No, no. And you also, I guess, in this sort of like aggressive, moody teenager type that just goes out and breaks the rules and fuck you. Yeah. And sorry. Go ahead.
Tomás : Well, it’s just from the perspective of the human evolution and the egocentric view from within the group. Are we talking about here from an individual?
Greg: How do you mean?
Tomás : Well, because it’s about forming a grand social structure afterwards, that was more of an ego-focused yeah, yeah. Say it’s more focused on the ego of your group versus the other group.
Greg: Yes. I mean, that’s exactly that’s a that’s a part of it. Yeah. It’s it’s ego on the individual level of like I satisfy my own needs. And basically the one at the top is the glorious, you know, the sort of winner. But at the same time you have yeah. You are part of a group and part of a tribe, and it’s about us taking everything we can get. And yet that’s egocentric, I guess, in itself, the ego of the group. Yeah, it’s a good point. I just take a couple of examples from the threads. Mega thread. Let’s see. We have yeah, we have Trump. That’s classic Saddam Hussein yakuza. The Mafia. Yeah, Chinese emperors, toxic narcissists, yeah, some people never come out of red, actually. So, you know, and then you really just you I guess you’re not fully socialized, so you don’t really consider the needs of of of the culture or the group
Tomás : That’s like is that like a Freudian thing or something that like the reality principle is the ability to defer your immediate pleasure or
Greg: Later. Yes. Being civilized. Yeah. That’s Yeah. That’s a great one. Yeah. Because that was given in the corseted recently. It’s a good example that someone that is coming from the red states that’s not gone to the move to the blue stage isn’t able, they’re just not able to defer pleasure to a later point. They need the gratification right now. So it’s like having a cupcake now or have to in in in in a day or something. Then it’s like now I have to why I’m not good with examples
Tomás : Or even eat the cupcake because you’ll get a better
Greg: Overall health. Yeah exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It’s very like me now is Rainbow I see in their Terminator. Oh yeah. Actually all the you know I feel like in movies and stuff like people love read stuff so like Quentin Tarantino, stuff like blood and guts. People go for that stuff. Yeah. Also I think we yeah. It’s primal. I think also reality TV is a lot of red and I think when it’s not about violence, I think it’s also just about looking good, being famous, all this these kind of things. So I got I got quotes from Graves originally, so actual quotes from his students where he asked them to write what about working human being. So I took some. So this is someone that’s read but just coming from people. And so it just enter it. And this gives you an idea of how they see the world. So. Oh, and I’m going to read these quotes with a different voice so you can get a sense of this. Life is a jungle one. God damn great big jungle is survival of the fittest. And that is all. Anybody who does not recognize this is not or will never be a grown up person. Life is competition is fight and struggle and get taken to hang on some. They have got it their way through it. Some they don’t have it. The grown up he of ice go down big in trying. He’s got it. He’s the guy who fights to get what he needs and he keeps it after it till he gets it. If he wants it, don’t take no he wears it down. One thing about him is he don’t chicken. He don’t let fear stand in his way.
Clay : Oof! They feel like a turnip. Hmm, yeah,
Greg: True to that. So that’s a little red call for you. I feel like I’m being hard on red and that’s partly because I don’t I don’t feel like I’m fully integrated in myself, so I don’t fully get it. But like, you know, essentially there’s good aspects and bad aspects of all these levels. It’s just, um. Well, maybe
Tomás : You could associated with the competition or something. I mean, yeah. Irrational or. Well to compete for something.
Greg: Yeah. Yeah. I think irrational. Yeah. Yeah. Because we’ll get to orange which is also about competition and a good way to differentiate them is in red. Red doesn’t care about the rules. So they would, they want to win at any cost, whereas where you get to orange later they actually want the rules because they want to win within those defined rules.
Tomás : That’s like Suarez when he bites people.
Greg: Yeah, exactly. Suarez biting people. OK, I’m going to move on to the next one. OK, then we got blue, so blue is so blue, the life philosophy is live according to the way and the truth and serving the doctrine and doing duty with an eye on the future rewards. So the life conditions that give way to blue is with red. You’ve basically got chaos, like it’s every man for himself, you know, getting what he needs and what he wants. And that leaves destruction. At least lots of people killed, a lot of pain, a lot of suffering. And then that gives rise to the need for blue, which brings in order and stability. So, yeah, so. The core values, authoritarianism, wholly meaningful world view, the world is well organized, purposeful and subjected to wholly divine laws which will punish evil and will reward the correct way of living life. Time to discover meaning and purpose in life and searching for order, security and stability. Life motto. I sacrifice myself to the way for a different reward. So again, this is self-sacrificing and in civilization, this is where you start to get law and order coming in. You get organized religion like monotheism. And there’s this, there’s this, this book. And there’s this way of how to live your life. There’s a moral code, Ten Commandments. And you do you act well now so that you get a deferred reward in the future. And that tends to be within a religion. You know, you go to heaven if you’re a person on earth. You know, it’s a lot about what happens after death. And this is sort of where people start to get a sense of meaning. So. You know, what I do is meaningful here because of this ultimate purpose, this, yeah, this is sort of in the eyes of gods and yeah, so I think meaning starts to become important here.
Tomás : It’s also a starting future.
Greg: Yeah, exactly.
Tomás : Yeah. So this present is kind of shared. You can think about the future.
Greg: Exactly. And that’s that. And then, you know, it’s society because you can now think about the future. You can take on massive projects like, you know, I look you know, I’m looking out the window now and you can see blooming in the buildings. So in the churches that are built like and like, you know, these massive structures. And you see you think about like how much time and effort and planning and Will has to go into that. And the vision has to be so clear to to to erect such buildings. And it’s the same with the old religion. There’s so much work that goes into this yet because of this future thing. And also then in society, you can plan much more. And, you know, you get a lot more process, formal roles coming into into into society. And, yeah, you can do a lot more as well. So, yeah, I’m thinking of like Roman civilization. They just smashed everybody. They smashed it because they were just so like well organized and like the centurions, they just like acted as a unit and they just smashed a. And they brought the Barths, so, yeah, so any questions at the moment?
Tomás : So I guess how do you translate this, for example, to the organization?
Greg: Yes. So you smoke? Yeah. So you still get organizations today that are dark blue. So it tends to be like where you have highly formalized roles and there’s not a lot of social mobility. So in the church, there’s really like the church or the army tends to be like these specific roles. And then, you know, you kind of you can move through the ranks, but it’s less flexible than, say, in an modern corporation or something like that. Yeah, that’s the that’s the main area.
Tomás : And Japanese business structure.
Greg: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, there’s a lot of blue in Japanese the way in the way that the Japanese do things. Yeah, very traditional and very formalized now. So and then I’m going to give you some examples of blue. So give me my blue thread. Oh, don’t do this to me.
Tomás : This.
Greg: Ok, well, that’s looting, I’m going to give you the quote. So I’ll do this in a different voice, which characterizes and also humiliates the meme. This is supposed to do these talks with being like really like open and understanding of each meme because it’s about communication. But I’m just going to do it in a funny way. It is my honest belief that what a mature personality determined by that power which determines good and evil in the world. God created man. And God has indicated in his Ten Commandments the principles by which the humans should live. It is not for me to decide what God pretended. If God had wanted man to decide, he would have indicated that he would not have commanded. So this is a guy writing an essay for Grace. Yeah, so it also shows like how you the way that you make you get your knowledge is also you really do you defer it to the authority or you defer it to the book that tells you how things are, how the world is and how you should behave in the world. OK, so Orange, the life philosophy is I am responsible for my own wealth, and that is why I developed my skills. I think therefore exists. So. Orange, the so the life conditions of blue is basically you create civilizations and civilizations are there, they function well and they provide safety from the chaos of red. You get order. You get a good degree of wealth being built up, I guess. But it’s also very stifling. There’s it’s very pious as well. Tends to be. So there’s a way you do things and you don’t get to express yourself if it conflicts with what’s acceptable to the culture.
Greg: So, yeah, I’m thinking of, like, you know, very. Like staunch religious societies where you don’t get a lot of yet your ability to express yourself or yeah, so core values are autonomy, materialistic, results-driven paradigm success, I improve myself, world view. The makeable world is full of chances and opportunities, and the world can be fully understood by using rational thinking lifetime to accumulate material abundance, individual freedom and grab opportunities. Life motto. I manifest myself through artful calculation. So yeah, you start, you see the orange being coming through in like the Industrial Revolution, the Enlightenment. And it’s again, it’s more moves towards the self-focused, but it’s satisfying the self needs, but within the general rules of civilized culture. So enterprise, the entrepreneur, entrepreneurial spirit, trying to make the most of myself while at the same time yet playing by the rules. So this is basically capitalism as we know it, as we know it nowadays. Yeah. Corporations, yeah. Materialism. And yeah, it’s about rational self-interest. So, you know, it’s about making the most, most of what you can in this life. I think it’s interesting in terms of the worldview in this the orange world, if you it’s you you’re sort of moving away from the dogmatic religion, the monotheism. So I think a lot of people that move to the orange worldview tend to then be atheistic. So religion is now rejected and it’s very much about do can in this life because there’s not an afterlife that doesn’t exist.
Tomás : It’s one that makes you think of like Wall Street. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Clay : I mean, to say that most people today I mean, even if they subscribe, they still. It’s just the religion has been you know, it is important to realize it’s just been replaced as the primary motivation, you know, 80 percent people in the U.S. still will claim that still subscribed by the kind of the rules of the Enlightenment or the ideals of the enlightenment and liberalism in general. Yeah, in the economic sense of the political system.
Greg: Yeah, Definitely. There’s like I think like a lot of people nowadays see the downsides of orange, because that’s because those are becoming quite obvious, you know, like of. So I’m going to read the quote because that’s kind of funny. OK, so this is someone and entering orange from blue. A mature personality is the clear-thinking person who makes decisions on the basis of fact, the mature does not let emotion overrule his reason. The mature personality thinks about the things that are important, not about a lot of muddle-headed abstractions. He stands for the tried and true and against those who, through their muddle-headed thinking again, which question the established purposes and virtue of man. The it’s interesting because when I was looking at the answers for Orange, they all then start to be in list form. So their answers tend to be like one, two, three, four or five, six, seven. So you get this like you really see this rational type of thinking coming in where it’s very like scientific and pointed and. Yeah, so that’s a taste of orange, maybe on a green.OK. So green is basically the solution to the orange life conditions. So orange creates a ton of wealth, brings ton of people into the middle class and it’s technology through the roof. But yet that has it takes a toll on the planet itself. So you like like basically there’s problems with like climate change, yet destroying ecosystems, all the stuff in terms of hurting the planet.
Greg: It also has this power of making huge gaps in equality. While the general wealth is increased, the inequality can go up. So where the richest few have like a massive ton of resources. And internally, internally, there’s this thing in orange where, like, you basically get everything that you want, like you’re winning the game. And then after you win the game, you realize like. This actually didn’t satisfy me, really, like this didn’t really, really satisfy me and you, I guess you can kind of be a bit lonely because she’s lonely at the top and you start to look for something, you look for more meaning. And then this is where the green comes in. I, I would love to show this clip, but I think like one of the best. One of the best. Examples of like what it feels like to go from the orange to the green meme, it’s like that song Stonehenge, Stonehenge, where they built a stone Stonehenge. I’m going to do that at another talk. But that’s basically classic, like you got everything. But then it’s like this mystery. And like, why did they build Stonehenge? And then, yeah, this is kind of green. So green tends to be this like you start to you’re searching for more meaning. So then it gives rise to this like a lot of new age stuff, spirituality and like the hippie movement.
Greg: Also a deeper concern for human beings, deepest concern for feelings, empathy. And you get a lot of like going off the grid. So I’m done with the capitalist system. I’m going to start my own community where we care about people. And yeah, so it’s basically the hippies. The hippies did it already. Asiago. It’s also in philosophy. It’s also after the Enlightenment modernist thinking. You have the postmodernists thinking coming in and yet which is another aspect of it. And so like philosophy, I feel emotions, therefore I am alive. In essence, everyone is equal. Oh yeah, they hate hierarchy, they love everyone being equal. Everyone gets a turn in organizations. You have green. If you have a lot of green then it’s great because you get a concern for each individual and their place in the company and you know, they’re like their own like sort of personal contribution. But in terms and everyone’s voice gets hurt. But in terms of decision making, it can be quite a bit it can be tedious because you need to listen to everyone. You do consensus decision-making, and then nothing moves and things can stagnate. So that’s a common issue for Green, is that things can get stagnant. Yeah. I will move on to the quote. Any questions for now?
Tomás : So is everyone like an opposite reaction?
Greg: One in four, great question, Calum. Great question. So this is a key theme for Integral, which is basically integral theory is about Transend and include. So you go through these three stages where you have your first fused with a stage susta, your fused with orange. So you are that stage. Then you go in a phase of differentiation. So you differentiate like differentiate yourself from the previous day. So you say I’m not orange, so you see it for what it is as you’re moving to the next stage and then you go to integration. So you see you’re not orange, but you can integrate parts of that into yourself. But what quite often happens at the differentiation stage is that you dissociate and then you really go like I’m completely not that I hate that. And then so quite often, if you’re in the next stage, you have an allergy to the stage before. So, I mean, the hippies, they hate capitalism. They don’t like it.
Tomás : But the same goes for the previous month, the one after
Greg: Year for the previous stages. You mean like orange to the like.
Tomás : I mean I mean the people. Let’s get the capitalists, the hippies as well. Right.
Greg: Yeah, exactly. Because they, they, they don’t understand them as well. You know, there’s good maps between like what happens between each of the colors, like how they each perceive them, which I think is interesting. But yeah, I mean basically Orange thinks that green is like just like a are just like so soft and yet naive and dreamy and. And what did you say, Christina. No flakes. Snowflakes exactly like that. Yeah. And also orange. Orange can really hate blue as well. I mean like rash. Like rationalist. Sort of like modernist like. Thinkers can really hate religious people because they’re like, what the fuck, you guys are stupid. Yeah, um, so and so. I’ve got a quote for Green. The mature personality is participating creative personality, which in its operation does justice to every type of personality, every mode of culture, every human potential without forming anyone into typologically modes. The mature personality provides a means for bringing relations of reciprocity and willing amity to the entire family of human beings. And Mature provides the interchange and utilization of the entire experiences of humankind. He or she lives in a moral world which tears down man-made barriers of law and custom, widening the means of communication and cooperation between humans. Um, so you do see the increasing complexity of the world views.
Greg: I mean, this is a really complex worldview. If you are actually fully in green and it’s you know, it’s pluralistic, understands that there are different cultures, different ways of seeing things. Yeah. So that’s green for you. Yellow, a.k.a. teal. So to you is the integral. They basically just change the colors, which is really annoying. So if you hear here to your organization, that basically means also yellow organization. And so by the way, can you see me? Because the lights turned off. Yet so, yeah, the life philosophy of searching for freedom and embrace integral space and complexity. So the life conditions of green is basically green, creates this space. Oh, it’s really interesting, actually, green, because we’re actually seeing what green does now in the current climate, and it’s creating the life conditions for yellow to emerge so green because it’s a pluralistic worldview. It flattens it flattens hierarchy, it dissolves old hierarchies and it gives up space for all of these different worldviews, all these ways of seeing things. So the Internet is somewhere where basically any viewpoint can be said. And what’s happening now is that you have all of these different trees and it’s come to the point where people feel that there’s actually no truth.
Greg: And that’s something that that you hear people, people that have gone have gone green. They will often claim that there’s no objective truth. There’s no absolute truth. But that’s yeah. That’s known as a performative contradiction, because in making that claim, you’re actually making a truth claim. Objective, yet truth claim. So so in this in this post-truth. So Internet world, you see just everything comes up. So like we’ve got the Q on Trump elected as a leader, no one knows what to believe. You have all these different and people can convene in any platform they want and so it can. Well, while it opens up for more complexity and more maturity, it also has this effect of a bit of chaos because no one knows what to believe. So the thing that that yellow does is that it integrates. So it says, OK, well. While there’s relativity to truth, there’s cultural aspects of truth, and the truth also depends on language and how we construct things. There are ways to integrate. There are ways to come to a common understanding, and there are better ways and there’s worse ways of doing things. And so the yellow is starts to like integrate everything together, whereas green just made space for everything.
Greg: So core values, systemic, integral, emergent paradigm, synergy. I am learning worldview. The world is a complex, self-organising natural system that requires integral solutions. So people that are in yellow will start to see the world as sort of in a systemic and a they see a lot of things in terms of ecologies and networks and things like this. And. Yeah, and everything is a system, so, yeah, so it’s the important thing is the functioning of the of the whole system and, you know, getting something absolutely perfect is not possible. But you can find a way to have a healthy ecology, essentially. So in terms of the yellow person, it’s, again, the cell focus. So they are basically actualizing themselves for the good of the whole. So they are bringing out the best parts of themselves, their fullest self. For the benefit of the world and, yeah, life itself, shall we say, I think we should look at some examples of yellow because we do not have a quote because Graves didn’t give me a quote. Um, let’s see. Yellow. Here are some values, nuance, complexity, fresh insights going matter, connecting the dots, ecology, responsible ways of being biodynamics, natural hierarchies, context.
Greg: Left-brained vision and purpose. Self-actualization paradox being a lone wolf state examples, Abraham Maslow, Maslow, Noam Chomsky, quantum mechanics. What else do we have? Let’s see
Tomás : Wikipedia,
Greg: Wikipedia. Yeah, that’s a great one. I think Wikipedia, as I was thinking about this, is such a good example because it’s like it takes this dispersed knowledge, but it also fits in some ways that knowledge can be like integrated and made better. So it’s got criteria for for what a good article needs to have in and sources and all this kind of stuff. Yeah. Star Trek, Humans and Vulcans and the Star Trek. Oh, by the way, Star Trek was based like a lot of this stuff was based on clear graves. Yeah. Research. So they made the cultures based on
Christina : The cool
Cristina: Farangis. You’ve probably been like a read, right?
Clay : Yeah. Yeah.
Greg: Then sustainable living since then. Young’s mindfulness system. Jacques Derrida. That’s one for you, Kallum, the philosopher Elon Musk. Joe Rogan is in here, that’s, yeah, I don’t know of anyone, everyone would agree with that. Um. OK, so that’s shallow and I will move on to turquoise now if I can just see it. Oh, my voice is my throat starting to get sore from this, OK, turquoise, so the light, fluffy, energetic connections are necessary to experience and embody wholeness and unity. What so their core values are global view, renewal, holistic. We are world view. The world is a grid of mutually interdependent units, which together form a holistic organism life theme. A dynamic balance between being and becoming. Life is good as it is, and at the same time everything must of course change completely development, spiritual intelligence, energetic field’s presence and resting being. So, yeah, I mean, it’s quite hard to understand turquoise and like this recent course that I did, they said that because we don’t really see we start to see yellow a bit in society. So you can start to talk about it more. But turquoise, we don’t really see it at all emerging. And in society, you just see it coming through in individuals. So it’s hard to really get a full sense of what it entails. But I think it’s just it’s Genesis tends to be this like deeper holism and a deeper where. Whereas in yellow you start you you’re looking at the world and you’re trying to come up with solutions to fix world problems. Turquoise is looking at is just a globe and solution to fit the entire globe, not just like regions or aspects of the thing. And yeah, I think we should move to examples to get a sense of of this. So we have turquoise here, OK, turquoise values, consciousness, elevating mankind’s consciousness, truth, deep metaphysical insight, wisdom, the wisdom of nature, mysticism, not reality, left and right, brain synthesis, being versus knowing, doing, having collaborative synergy, synergy, intuition. Yeah. I spoke to someone
Greg: Is. Yeah. Because there’s actually you can, you can test yourself this way. There’s, there’s tests made to see which level you’re at. Yeah. And so someone I spoke with, someone who’s tested it turquoise and he said that there is this like deep. You start to have these deep intuitions, basically deep intuitions about the world, about the universe. And you’re really intuitively coming up with problems. Yeah, it’s interesting and it’s interesting because obviously, if you look at these, there’s a lot of you get a lot of these spiritual themes. Yeah. It’s like LSD. Exactly. So there’s a lot of spiritual themes here. And, you know, Green often thinks of themselves as turquoise, but there is, I think, a vast difference between the turquoise and green and. Yeah, so. Let me see if we have some turquoise examples, Sadhguru, then with Sarah Sadhguru, Ken Wilbur, obviously KW who made it into theory. Then there is Rupert Sheldrake is often quoted as one. Who else do we have? David Hawkins, Spierer. Um, Ecotopia. Alan Watts. I’m not sure if I agree with all of these examples, actually. I think it’s really easy to project something like my personal opinion is that. With the turquoise, it’s easy to project. It’s easy to project people who are spiritual and then project on them that they are turquoise, but I think there’s just this with turquoise, there’s this deep complexity and like systems thinking going on. It’s it’s stage beyond yellow where yellow is like it’s about systems. And there’s it’s really, really about like it’s very complex. Yeah, turquoise is very complex and I think quite often just people that are spiritual leaders who have wisdom are put in this bracket but are maybe not necessarily coming from the stage. But, you know, who am I to judge? I don’t know. But that’s just my thoughts. So, yeah. So, yeah, I’ve seen these examples, and I’m not sure I want to actually see all of them as being examples of turquoise necessarily, because I can even if I can even judge. But basically, turquoise is crazy, baby.
Clay : That’s a tough one.
Greg: Yeah, that’s well, it’s biodynamics. That’s a tough one. But you have other developmental models where they have stages even beyond the turquoise level. And that’s because you can study that on an individual level, like the eagle line of development. There’s like four or five levels I’ve seen beyond turquoise. But that’s a topic for another time. Yeah. Any questions? On turquoise, which I have no idea about. I mean,
Tomás : What can you say there is like? There’s a stage which integrates all colors or something, yeah.
Greg: Oh, man, that’s just such that’s such a good point as such. That’s something I should have said at yellow. So basically this first tier and second tier. So when you get to first first tier, you see the world from your just your viewpoint, but a second tier yellow. Then you start to integrate all of the other colors. So that’s when you can start to communicate to the colors. You integrate it in yourself and that’s why he’s integral. And that’s an important part about this, is that it once you get once you’re at second tier, it’s very beneficial for you and the rest of the world because you can speak to everyone, you can understand everyone, and you can get on much better in this in this world. It’s 10 to. So I think we have to close this down because we’re going to get kicked out.
Clay : Yeah. We have to be out of here.
Greg: Yeah. Yeah. So any, uh. Yeah. Let’s do just a little wrap-up. Goodbye, so thank you all. This was a very rapid-fire introduction to spiral dynamics and integral theory. I think it’s good to have this now in our. I’ve lost all my words in our
Tomás : Library
Greg: Our talkies and our torches so that we can talk about it and yeah, and then we’re going to do some other videos really into this later. But this is sort of the intro one. So thank you very much, guys. Thanks for listening. Thanks for your questions. And. Live long and prosper.